Give me your best sales pitch...

[littleheaven]

Okay, I'm having a problem.  I love my f-list.  My f-list loves Supernatural.  I do not.  Hence, every day when I look at my friends page, I end up scrolling through post after post of SHOOOOWWWWW!!! looking for the other non-Supernatural stuff.

It's not that I hate Supernatural, it's just that I watched maybe 6 eps and it just didn't do anything for me. 

So I figure I have 3 choices. 

1. Continue with the status quo
2. Defriend a load of people I really like so I don't have to wade through all the stuff I'm not interested in
3. Succumb to the squee

I figure the best way to go is option 3, but life is hectic right now with toddlers and sick husbands.  So I really honestly want to know if it's worth me investing the time to watch.

This is where you guys come in.  Knowing what you know about me and my previous fandom obsessions (BTVS, Angel, Stargate SG-1), I want you to convince me why I should watch Supernatural.  What about it is going to grab me by the throat and rattle me about?  What themes will I identify with?  Do you really think I will enjoy it?  Sell it to me, baby.  With reasoned arguement.  Yelling SHOOOOOW! will not count ;o)

Comments

[brihana25.livejournal.com]

Well, obviously I'm here in support of the "Succumb to the squee" option. :) And here is my reasoned argument why. I'll keep any spoilers very, very minor, because if I didn't use some my answer would just be, "Um... because," which is neither reasoned nor, in fact, an argument. ;)

There are two things that really get me about this show: the character dynamics and the continuity. But I'm only gonna do the character part for now, because if I try to do both, LJ won't let me.

So, on the character dynamics - in short, they're incredible. The depth of emotion not just between the boys themselves, but between them and their father, them and their father's best friend, hell, them and every other character we've ever seen, is just astounding. Even one-shot guest stars that we never see again still manage to garner some sort of emotional response to/interaction with the main characters. Episodic television most generally does not, in my experience, regard the characters' emotions as vital to the story. They're either regarded as secondary or, in more cases than not, totally irrelevant. The plot is king, usually, and any emotions that happen along the way are more a by-product than an intentional device.

Not so with Supernatural. Their emotions aren't just vital to the story; more often than not their emotions are the story. We have, at least in part, watched them grow up together. We've watched them relate to each other as young children, as teenagers, and grow into the men we met in the premier. It's not just another "Monster of the Week" show; it's a "this is how Sam and Dean react to and deal with this week's monster" show.

It's a show that's not afraid to have as its cornerstone two brothers who love each other, who are not ashamed that they do, and who express it freely. And not through dialogue, either, which would be "telling" us, but they "show" us, through how they act and the things they are willing to do for each other. It's about two grown men who touch each other - actually hug on occasion - comfort each other, and seek comfort from each other without being embarrassed about it (humorous comments from Dean notwithstanding).

There's angst, pain, fear and tears, and they share it all. It's the antithesis of what episodic television is "supposed" to be, because it's plot development through character development, and not the other way around. And sometimes it's subtle, and sometimes it's intense, and sometimes it's brutal... but it's always amazing.

I look at them, and I see the way Jack and Daniel used to be, the way I wanted them to stay - that closeness, that bond, deep and undeniable and real, without any of TB@B's homophobic crap to screw it up. But it's not really the kind of show you can just catch one or two episodes of every now and then, especially not if you see them out of order. Every episode builds on what came before; not a single word is wasted. So if you really want to give it a chance, you've got to start at the beginning and follow them through.

I seriously don't think you'll be disappointed. I sure wasn't. :)

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

it's plot development through character development, and not the other way around

Well, you certainly hit on my number one pre-requisite for a show. I'll pick a character-driven plot over a plot-driven character any day of the week. That's where I feel Angel fell over, when the plot started driving the show part way through season 3, and character integrity and continuity was sacrificed for the sake of the story. I shall put it on my list of cons :o) Thank you for such a thoughtful and descriptive reply!

And don't worry about spoilers, I've pretty much seen or heard them all, since my little sis watches it, not that they've made any sense to me thus far :o)

[gabs186.livejournal.com]

Wow. I feel I should come back later, since I'm really not in the mood to sell, and yet Supernatural is my favourite show on television right now...

Eh, let me give it a shot.

1. It's INCREDIBLY well written. Every storyline they tackle, they do it WELL. So much so that I find myself writing 'I love my show' in every review. It really is fantastic writing because just when you think how can they possibly pull this concept off, they do.

2. The boys are two of the hottest specimens on earth. YES, that is an important reason!

3. The boys are fantastic actors. Especially Jensen, though Jared deserves a lotta credit too. When they banter, when they cry, when they make the audience laugh - their delivery, their timing - everything is spectacular. And they've only gotten better as the years progress.

4. Themes...hmm, they're possibly the first sci-fi show (and I'm not included the X-Files because that was more extra-terrestrial related) that really, truly studies the lore they tackle in every episode. Demons, angels, vampires - whatever. The writers really research the material and then the boys do it on-screen. It's often very interesting because before they get to the specific demon *they're* dealing with, they tell you a lot about other demon lore as well.

There's also the consistent theme of family, which I think you can relate to. The importance of it and how it stands beside you when no-one else will, and yet it has the tendency and the unique ability to drive you up the wall... These boys spend their lives fighting evil and 24/7 with only really each other - they love each other and they'd die for each other but there is so much crap and drama in between as there realistically is for any siblings/family. And they act is SO well.

Furthermore, as a fan of BTVS/ATS (who did not research their lore as much as this show btw) the concept is not that different. Good-looking demon fighters? Check. Awesome chemistry? Check. A smart-mouth? Check. The brains of the operation? Check. A very sexy car driven by a very sexy man? Check.

;) Did I mention the boys are hot? LOL!

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

But are the boys hot? ;o)

It means a lot to me that you find many similarities between SPN and BTVS/ATS, because no show got under my skin like that one.

I'm worried it might be a bit scary for me, though. It's a lot scarier than Buffy or Angel, right?

[gabs186.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's scary... ;) Watch it with the hubby and get him to hold you tight, LOL. The creators have said they try to make every episode like a one hour horror flick but I actually disagree with than analogy. There's an equal amount of horror, drama and funny in every episode - what with the boys bantering and the great lines while they're kicking ass ;)

And I agree wholeheartedly with what brihana25 said so well - the characters come before the plot because they're constantly advancing and maturing but the plot is never forgotten and truly fantastic (as I said, they really do their research and really think things through without resting on their laurels like some asshats...ahem) because the two are linked.

[astridv.livejournal.com]

Well, before you defriend people, you could always set up filters. For the longest time I resisted using them but they are really handy. And the way people flitter between fandoms, you can just adjust your filters accordingly when they change their posting habits.

As to Supernatural... I really liked the first season and mostly liked the second, mostly because I thought the show was creepy as hell, with a bit of humor infused. I hear later seasons are getting much darker; I noticed it was getting more violent, too violent for my taste. I haven't decided yet if I want to continue watching myself so I can't really convincingly poke you to watch it. ;) The show lacks a steady supporting cast, IMHO, though the brothers are interesting characters.

I'd recommend watching a few more season one eps, the writing was really and I liked the show best when it was monster-of-the-week. Mm, think I'm gonna rewatch an ep or two.

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

LOL, well I don't think I'd seriously go to the extreme of defriending anyone... but in the event that it really doesn't gel with me, it's good to know there is an alternative. I thought you could only use filters for outgoing messages (ie on what you posted for others to see) so I will have to investigate how to filter incoming, just in case I need to :o) Thanks!

[astridv.livejournal.com]

Heh. I actually did defriend people routinely before I discovered filters. (That word is unfortunate, anyway... way too loaded.) I think there are some journals I defriended and added back half a dozen times, depending of the content I wanted to read.

I thought you could only use filters for outgoing messages

No, they work in both ways. It's easy to set up: just go to 'manage'->'friends'->'Custom Friends Groups', voila.

the writing was really

Good, was the word I was going for. :D

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

Hehehe, I'm glad the word wasn't "crap" *g*

[switch842.livejournal.com]

I'll just ditto pretty much what everyone said. At the end of the day, the show is about the brothers. Period. Their interaction, their love, their feelings, their experiences. It all comes back to them. Honestly, the show had me about 20 minutes into the pilot. That was all I needed.

Plus, brihana mentioned it briefly, but the continuity is amazing on this show. We're a little more than half way through season 4 and there's still plot lines and stories that go back to season 1 and the pilot. And every episode has something to do with the bigger storyline. There's never been a "monster of the week" where we didn't learn something more.

I do think if you can give this show a chance, you would love it. Start back with the pilot and just work your way through. You won't be disappointed.

[nialla]

Every show has the usual ups and and downs in storylines, but I will say that even when I don't quite like where a particular storyline is going, I still like the show itself. It does remind me of The Power of the Jossverse in that sense, even though I felt Angel went off the rails (though mostly recovered) and Buffy probably overstayed, but so far I'm not feeling that with this show.

I think part of that is they're always moving around. You're not stuck in one place, and it leaves things wide open for not only the "monster of the week" (which isn't always what the show is about, though first season trends that way) but for a wide variety of guest stars.

Not relying on a large supporting cast means the focus is really concentrated on two brothers. Which means "family" really is all they've got, and even if one or both are acting like dicks, well... they're acting like family. *g* Unlike most shows, they actually get to react emotionally to what they're dealing with. Not just yelling, fighting, and shooting at stuff, but being seriously injured and having to patch each other up and honest to goodness crying when it gets to be too much. And there's even continuity with their pain too. It's not forgotten about by the next episode.

There is some blatant fanservice (especially slash jokes), and while that can be fun, it can sometimes take over the show just as much as a "you must like this pairing" manifesto. So far I haven't felt that way. I'm not into the Wincest or RPS stuff at all, but I enjoy talking about general show developments with the flist, and I can still get a laugh out of the in-jokes, even though I'm not "in" fandom.

There's also been some blatant service to their masters in the form of the studio mandating certain characters being added in order to get a renewal. I really did not like one, but the other... I'm still not sure if we're supposed to like her or not.

This season, they're really being ambitious with where they're going. The original storyarc was more of a classic revenge thing, but that has grown and expanded to a potential war in Heaven and those in Hell popping the popcorn to watch the show. But it's not separate from the original arc, it's still connected, but it's much bigger than we ever imagined.

I'll let about a half dozen or so of my library users speak on behalf of the show too. We have all three seasons that are out on DVD. Now they're whining about wanting season four, and are not at all happy when I tell them it's still airing on TV and won't be on DVD. They want it nooooooow and have asked more than once if I'll be getting it the second it comes out. Quite a few of them have also said this is normally a show they wouldn't watch, as it's "scary" but they got hooked on it anyway because they loved the characters.

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

I like that you think it has the Jossverse feel. It certainly has a lot of Jossverse actors! Off the top of my head I can think of Amy Acker, Amber Benson and Julie Benz who have been in it.

I really dislike the Wincest and RPS that goes along with this show, which I think is one of the things that has thus far kept me at arm's length.

[nialla]

Mercedes McNabb (Harmony) also guest stars as [wait for it] a vampire. Girl's getting typecast. *g*

I wouldn't worry about the 'cest and RPS too much. In individual journals, people are pretty good about labeling things. I'm in the "if it's labeled, we can all play nicely" camp, so I can scroll on by. This is why I generally keep it to mostly individual journals and not comms, so it's easier to pick and choose who I read.

I'm a old school slasher who doesn't "get" the 'cest and RPS stuff, but I'm rather tolerant of what others are reading, even if I don't like it. Whatever stirs your coffee. Though I don't drink coffee, so I just ignore all the people who gush about Starbucks, because I don't "get" that either. *g*

From what I understand of filtering, it's not tag based, it's simply sorting people into lists of what you want to see. Say you have a filter for your close online friends. If you've been on an Internet-free vacation (horrors!) or only have limited time, you can view the filtered version just showing their posts. So it's an "all or nothing" option, unless things are different from my understanding of the concept.

If you end up not liking the show, don't sweat it. Not every show pushes the same buttons for everyone. Even though the media was pushing Battlestar Galactica as "the sci fi show to watch" I didn't care for it. First their was the childhood association with the original (in all its cheesy glory), but after the positive reviews, I gave it a try. Couldn't get through an episode without feeling nauseated by the camerawork, so I never tried again. Don't feel like I'm missing anything either. Though there's also cases when I didn't like a show at first, but with later viewings, I was hooked and wondered what was wrong with me the first time around to miss it. *g*

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes, I remember Nic telling me Mercedes was on it, didn't realise she was a vampire, though. ROFL!

I'm not really worried about the Wincest too much, I'll just avoid it. Like you, if people enjoy it, I've got no problem with them doing so, but I'll be steering clear.

LMAO, you sound like me re BSG. I really had an issue with the shaky-cam. It actually got less obvious after the first season, but I always hated it because it pulled me out of the story and made me think about the camera work. I tried hard to like BSG but only made it part way through Season 3 before I gave up. It got too weird for my tastes.

I think to an extent that I have to be willing to take on a new show, or it just won't work. I have to be in the right mood. Whenever I caught SG-1 on TV, it never really did anything for me, but when I started watching from the start while specifically trying to find a new fandom, it finally clicked with me.

[nialla]

Timing is everything in finding a new show, and watching in order is also important. If you watch something without realizing what seems unimportant to you is really A Major Plot Development playing on something from an earlier episode, it makes things very confusing.

I found Merlin at a time when I wasn't really watching anything else. I normally might not have bothered, especially since it will eventually air on US tv (though chopped to hell for commercials, I'm sure). I was bored, I heard squee, I checked it out, cue fairytale ending. *g*

Though at first I was sticking around more for the "OMG, that's not how the mythology goes!" moments, but then I realized that was the point and the whole show is just chock full of slash (and a bit of femslash) if you're looking for it, so that was just icing on the cake for me.

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

You're so right. I think the first ep of SG1 I saw in full was Revelations (S7) and I thought it was okay but not enough to make me check the show out in more detail. Then the evil temptress rachelcaine started bombarding me with pics of Michael Shanks, since she knew I was adrift in the non-fandom void, and hey, presto! I was a goner. I watched from ep 1 in order and it was a match made in heaven.



I'm watching Merlin at the moment, and I really like it, though I'm not fangirling it like I did BTVS etc. It's happy, happy crack. Tony Head just gets hotter.

[nialla]

Oh, yes, she is an evil temptress, isn't she? *g*

The crack aspect of Merlin was just what I needed at the time, so it worked out well. It's just a fun show to watch that doesn't take itself very seriously. And yes, ASH gets better with age. I have a friend I've been trying to hook on the show. I'd been luring her in with tales of slash and finally showed her a clip. "Oh, you didn't tell me Tony Head was in it!" I was apparently taking the wrong tactic, and I'm now regrouping my efforts.

I don't think I could ever fangirl like I have in the past. I used to be very mono-fannish, but now with so many things to watch, my fannish energies are spread thin. I think I prefer it this way for the most part. Lots more eggs, but they're not in one basket when it goes to hell. ;)

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

LOL I must admit the fact Tony Head was in it was what tipped me over the edge :o)


I'm not sure I will ever get quite as fannish as I used to, which makes me sad. I enjoyed having a world in which to immerse myself and take a break from the real one. And at the moment I really could do with that. *sigh* But I guess the older you get the less prone you are to getting quite as caught up. I wish I could be blindsided by a fandom like I was with Buffy. But I like your egg theory. After what happened to Angel, I think I might be a bit gun-shy of getting quite so involved.

[nialla]

I've had too many shows go to hell in a handbasket, or were just flat-out cancelled, so I've decided it's better to be watching a variety. That way if one tanks, I have a spare or two.

LJ has become a sort of surrogate for my old mono-fannish ways. It's sort of "one stop fandom shopping" and it's much easier to avoid wankage with usage of my handy scroll wheel on the mouse. I can keep up with the major talk in various fandoms, without actually having to be in the fandoms.

[kaylynn.livejournal.com]

I get the same on my F-List. I just ignore those posts. *shrug*

[sg-betty.livejournal.com]

All the above is true! And while I don't actually find them as hot as indicated (not Daniel hot ;), I do find them to be very adorable. Their relationship is great, and as they are brothers, it can be more close and open than the relationship between two two unrelated men could be believably. Although, they're still guys, of course... Great, humorous dialogue... Lots of drama--and occasionally comedy, but not so much lately. This season has been pretty dark. Good, but dark. All in all, it's a well written, well acted show that deserves a look.

I don't know, though... I was hooked from the first episode. If you watched six and didn't care for it, well, you may just not like it--inexplicable as I may find it. :)

Note: People 'ship these two? Wow. That's so wrong...

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it didn't drag me in on the first few viewings, like Buffy did. I think three eps had me totally sunk. But I do have to be in the right space to get into a show. I came to Buffy 5 years after it started. My first attempt to watch Stargate was a dismal failure. So it doesn't mean I won't feel differently now.

And, yeah, ick.

[damnskippytoo.livejournal.com]

I know this is supposed to be a post to convince you to watch, but I thought I'd give you my reasons for not watching in case any of them would apply.

I watched S1 and S2 but couldn't be arsed to come back for S3, so I'm not a huge fan. Honestly, all the Wincest that I'd see in the fandom turned me off and spoiled the show for me. Every time I'd watch an episode, I'd see a look or a hug or hear some dialogue and think, "OMG, the flist will be Wincesting the hell out of that tomorrow" and all I could do was shake my head and wince.

Also, the monster of the week format and the fact that the show depended, for the most part, on only two characters kind of got boring for me. I enjoyed the occasional recurring character they'd toss into the mix and wanted to see more of them, but that was rare.

Lastly, I began to dislike Sam a lot. He became so woe-is-me and whiny that I was hoping one of the MOWs would skewer his ass.

I guess I'm saying if the Wincest doesn't bother you and you can deal with the show format and a whiny boy is a turn on for you, then you might enjoy it. :)

I do agree the humor was a plus and the emotional connections are strong, but for me it just wasn't enough.

And to add what Astrid said, friends filters are wonderful!! I have six or seven filters and it makes reading my flist so much more enjoyable, easy and I rarely miss a friend's important post due to having to wade through all the unimportant crap.

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

Thanks, hun! Good to have balance :o)

I'm not sure about the Wincest, which does squick me, but then Jack/Daniel were totally slashed and for ages I just didn't see it, neither did I wonder about it every time they touched, so maybe I can block that bit out.

You must tell me how to set up a filter, just in case I can't get into the show, so that I can filter out the SPN without filtering anything else important.

[damnskippytoo.livejournal.com]

Friends Filters:

From your profile page, click on Manage: Your Friends. It will take you to the wrong page, but if you look at the top you'll see the link for Friends Tools. Click on it and find the link under "Sort and Filter Friends" for Custom Friends Groups. Click on that and that's where you sort all your flist into filters. You create a filter by clicking on the "New" button and naming the first filter whatever you want. Then you will click on that name and your entire flist will be loaded into the "Not in Group" window. You will highlight the LJs you want in that group and click on the ">>" to put them in that group. Once you're done, you hit "Save" and you've got a filter. You repeat that process to create as many filters as you want.

To use them, you go back to the Friends Tools and click on "Filter Your Friends Page" and click on the filter name. I've bookmarked all mine so I don't have to do that each time.

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

Thanks! I shall have a bash at this over the weekend. Even if I do end up watching SPN, it might be handy to manage my reading.

[sg-betty.livejournal.com]

I don't do Supernatural fandom, do I've never encountered anything like that to turn me off, I'm pleased to say. Of course, I never read slash anyway and it's not something that occurs to me when left to my own devices, so...

[luminosity]

Gosh. I'm actually sort of apprehensive about making a case because I don't believe I'll do it justice.

BTVS changed how I looked at television, and I loved it. Angel was the show of my heart. I loved the arcs, the characters, the writing, the way Joss et al took a trope and twisted it. All of it. I was devastated when it was canceled.

It took me two years after Angel ended to even *find* a show that kept my attention. I mocked SPN fans. (hangs head) And then way2busymom sent me the S1 DVDs. "You don't have to vid it. Just *watch* it." I mocked the first 11 episodes. I was over-critical, constantly comparing it to my beloved Angel, even though it was starting to grow on me. I didn't really care for one of the leads (believe me, THAT changed). Then I got to episode 12, and it blew the top of my head off. I felt like I did when I saw Prophecy Girl. I felt like I did when I saw Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been. The depth of the characterization became obvious. Now, in the middle of S4, the character development has continued unabated. These guys are growing and changing and dealing (and not dealing), and yet their core devotion to each other remains untouched--sometimes in painful ways. I can't wait to see what happens between them. It's like watching emotional porn every single episode.

And the continuity! OMG. Today, in S4, I can look back to seemingly inconsequential things that happened in S1 and see where they are now coming to fruition. People in production pay attention to details like color and setting, and usually when I think they've forgotten a thread, the writers pick it up at exactly the right time.

Lastly, at least for this post, PLOT. The mytharc is *mythic* and *epic* (like Buffy!). It's complex and growing as well, but it's always viewed through the lenses of Sam and Dean and how it affects their relationship (which, I've read, is considered to be the third main character of the show).

Umm... and they're both gorgeous. There are times when I feel like I can't even look at them straight on, they're so freaking beautiful.

Yes. Watch it. Indulge yourself in the squee.

*shutting up now*
:)

[switch842.livejournal.com]

Then I got to episode 12, and it blew the top of my head off.

Sorry, random butting in, but I have to so agree with you on this. While I personally was hooked from the word go, this episode really, really sealed the deal and just got me straight in the heart. It completely sealed the relationship between the two brothers and themes we would see over and over again with them and their need to "save" the other. So, yeah. :-)

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

Lum, thank you for that. I know how much you loved BTVS and Angel. I think you loved it more than I did, and that's saying something. It's so hard to move fandoms, when one has been your heart and your home. Stargate was mine for quite a few years after Angel, but it's finished and I am fandomless, and to a certain extent I miss having one - ANY fandom. I miss that cozy little place in my mind where my happy show thoughts live and I can go there and mentally vid or write or just enjoy the view.

I'm also comforted that it took you a while to get into Supernatural, because I hold hope that if it grew on you over time, it'll grow on me, too. And yay for good continuity (which has been mentioned a lot so it must be great).

[counteragent.livejournal.com]

Hee. Or you could make a filter.

Seriously, don't get involved with SPN unless you
a) Love brothers. LOVE THEM
a1) Love manpain. LOVE IT.
b) Don't really care if there are any female characters of note on your screen
c) can deal with the prominance of incest as the default fannish pairing. I'm not saying you have to want to read it, but you have to be aware that it will be EVERYWHERE.
d) enjoy great gen stories (probably more than most fandoms, because of c)
e) want to join a fandom that will probably only last one more season
f) want to join a fandom in which everything has laready been vidded. Twice.

I sound like I'm not totally crazy about the show, don't I? Weird thing is that I AM. And I love the fandom TO DEATH. So much talent here.

[counteragent.livejournal.com]

PS Don't defriend me! I promise to post about some other stuff...sometimes...

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

Well, I do love the manpain (thanks to one Dr Daniel Jackson). And I'm already painfully aware of the Wincest because it's everywhere even when I'm actively NOT participating in the fandom ;o)

I have a history of joining fandoms right at the end of their popularity. BTVS I got into at Season 5. Angel - at least I did better at around Season 3. SG1, Season 7. The only shows I've loved and followed from day 1 have been Friends, Grey's Anatomy and Bones, that I can think of. And I don't fangirl them like the others.

As for the fact it's already been vidded... good! Because then I don't have to vid it myself. I am just too jolly busy to vid in multiple, and I promised hubby I'd do his Scrubs one before I started anything else.

I would never defriend you! Us vidders have to stick together.

[counteragent.livejournal.com]

Scrubs vid! Scrubs vid! *cheers*

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

LOL, that's if it ever gets made. 7 seasons of clip research, ack. *keels over at the very thought*

[obsessive24.livejournal.com]

We're hanging out together in a couple of weeks, right? I could bring my s1 DVDs and we could watch an episode over coffee or something.

Honestly, it's not one of the "must-watch" shows for me, but I watch it because it's entertaining, and s4 has a good arc at the moment.

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

Yeah, we are, yay! Thanks for the offer, but my little sister has the first 3 seasons in one form or another, so I think she's going to start me off this week. I'd much rather talk vidding or go shopping, or both, for our get-together:o)

[phantom-queen.livejournal.com]

OK, so pretend that my sales pitch picks up from Gabs...did she mention how hot the boys are? ;-)

Dean is the most amazing combination of Jack and Daniel that I have ever seen on TV. It's like they took the best qualities of both characters and merged them into Dean's persona. He's a smart-ass tough soldier, who can kick ass and yet has the most amazing heart.

[littleheaven70.livejournal.com]

That's an excellent combo, I have to admit!