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Oh, Happy Birthday! [livejournal.com profile] verucawerewolf. Sorry, I've probably missed it by now, hope it was good.

WARNING: Highly out-of-character rant ahead.

What on earth is all this CRAP going on about the DB ad promotion? I hate shipper wars. I've been right through the thread regarding the ad at Stranger Things, and most of the posts have been people bending over backward to make sure the ad isn't shippy, and doesn't step on anyone's toes or alienate any particular group, so that everyone who loves DB can contribute without being worried. Sure, there's a few reactions to some negative feedback (and not very strong ones at that), but on the whole it's been very professionally handled. I haven't seen any bashing, hating, accusations of theft, or anything else to invite the sort of vitriole and insults I've seen slung around.

Holy underpants, people. There are wars going on in the world, people are DYING from violence and religious persecution and famine and disease; good people are taken from us every day in road accidents and by cancer and at the hands of lunatics... At the end of the day - it's a freaking TV show. These are pretend people. Obsessions aside, it means nothing in the grand scheme of the universe. So let's all stop bashing the people trying to do something nice for DB. Either contribute or don't. But leave all the other shit out of it.

There, I've said it. I feel better.

Date: 2004-03-20 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychofilly.livejournal.com
I. Love. You.

Date: 2004-03-20 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychofilly.livejournal.com
:takes the oportunity to get in a sneaky grope:

Date: 2004-03-20 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
:shriek, giggle:

Date: 2004-03-20 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emma-daisy.livejournal.com
Holy underpants, people.

::adores you::

Date: 2004-03-20 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
:licks Daisz:

Hope your day is getting less craptastic, honey.

Date: 2004-03-20 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emma-daisy.livejournal.com
I'm all better after that lickin'

Date: 2004-03-20 05:00 pm (UTC)

Date: 2004-03-20 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnskippytoo.livejournal.com
Can't beat the holy underpants line. I vote that goes in the ad. Would that be shipper related if we said we thanked DB for his talent and his holy underpants?

You're a genius, Kel. *hugs*

Date: 2004-03-20 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
Holy underpants should only be rolled out in the gravest of situations *g* Holy underpants are non-ship-specific and can be used in any campaign for DB, as long as I get to remove him off his person once he's finished with them :evil cackle:

You're a genius, Kel. *hugs*

OMG! I'm Kel? I knew all of us at ST were only 15 multiple-personalitied lunatics, but I never suspected. All this time, I thought I was Daisy! I know you meant to say Claire ;o) Hell, it was a sweet sentiment. Call me anything you like! Hee :o)

Date: 2004-03-20 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnskippytoo.livejournal.com
Sorry, Claire. *blush* I've been breezing through so many LJs about this topic that I forgot where I was. You may have Daisy's brain, but your holy underpants are all Kel. *g*

Date: 2004-03-20 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
Obviously some of her brilliance has rubbed off on me :o)

Date: 2004-03-21 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emma-daisy.livejournal.com
All this time, I thought I was Daisy!

Dude, you are me. And I am you. Apart from when I'm [livejournal.com profile] damnskippy and you're [livejournal.com profile] imona.

It's all very confusing. Best just to say we're Angela.

Date: 2004-03-21 06:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnskippytoo.livejournal.com
I feel so blessed. *sniff* Now how do I actually plug into the Daisy portion of my brain or will it just take over?

Date: 2004-03-21 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emma-daisy.livejournal.com
Oh, it'll just take over when you least expect it. Usually when you're in the middle of an important meeting or the like, suddenly you'll start thinking about the phrase,'A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, and wonder if anyone has ever actually given a fish a bicycle to see what they might do. Seriously, who knows what fish might be capable off, given the correct transport.

This thought keeps me up at night.

Date: 2004-03-21 08:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnskippytoo.livejournal.com
I can't wait. I hope I can keep it inside my head and not blurt it out. I don't think the excuse of "That wasn't me, that was Daisy," is gonna keep me out of the institution. But I want some crazy Daisy thoughts because they're fun!

Date: 2004-03-20 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] verucawerewolf.livejournal.com
Its still my birthday where I live--so you didn't miss it! :) Luff ya!

Date: 2004-03-20 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
Yay. I'm normally late for everything! Just ask my boss...

Date: 2004-03-21 01:06 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com
Hm. I haven't heard about any shipper wars but I do know that some people (other than myself) have issues with ST, and why, and I've also seen several strangers be surprised at this and ask for reasons. So here's the thing (Claire, apologies for using your journal, it's just for convenience).

I think this ad is a terrific idea. When I heard where it originated... well yes, there was a sound of *clonker* as my jaw hit the floor. I mean, how could this not come as a surprise when for the past year or more I've seen this board do nothing but trash the show, its creator and, yeah, Boreanaz got his share as well. I've seen you guys manage to put a negative spin on everything not CC, in a way I personally found unfair and which led me to leave. Hence the surprise at something this positive. Takes a bit getting used to, is all.

(btw, the board is so much in the habit of bashing, I got a feeling some people aren't even aware when they're doing it. I'm not even getting into the talk of not mentioning 'Angel' because... nah.)

Also... um, you're probably not aware of it but the board can be a scary place to outsiders. I thought twice about posting, and was fully expecting to get slammed for it. Because I've seen it happen before, I guess. Didn't happen, so I obviously did the board unjustice.

Anyhoo, his ad is a great thing, what with fans thanking everybody and their dog and with DB having gone out of his way to promote the show over the years. I hadn't planned to bring all this up at this of all times, but I've seen several people express surprise. Sorry if any of this offends you, it's just my honest opinion. I just love the show, so when someone speaks badly about it... it's like someone calling your baby ugly ;o).

And like Claire said, in the grand scheme of things there are more important matters anyway.

Date: 2004-03-21 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
Point well made. And I'm not going to have a go at you for airing your opinion. You're entitled to it, as I am to mine. If we were all the same, how boring would the world be? ;o)

I just have to say, personally, I wasn't surprised about the ad. There are a lot of people at ST who love DB, and I've never seen anyone persecuted for that. As for being negative about the show - yeah, some people are. Others still enjoy it. That's cool, either way. As I said, it's all opinions and everyone's entitled to one. I'm still watching the show. Nobody's jumped down my throat about it :o)

At the end of the day, as we all seem to agree, there's more important stuff to be fighting over than who said what to who. Like why the city council still hasn't cut down the weeds in the "reserve" behind my house. If we could generate the same kind of reaction to that, I'd have the frikkin Kew Gardens back there ;o)


Date: 2004-03-21 04:45 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com
At the end of the day, as we all seem to agree, there's more important stuff to be fighting over than who said what to who. Like why the city council still hasn't cut down the weeds in the "reserve" behind my house. If we could generate the same kind of reaction to that, I'd have the frikkin Kew Gardens back there ;o)

Heh. For example. And today is the first day in four months I'm a) not working, b) not sick and c) it's not raining. Well okay, it's raining right now. But at least it's not raining all day long. Too good to waste time with kerfuffles. I'll be outside, if anybody needs me.

Besides, we keep going with the bickering, we can already start writing our acceptance speeches for fandom_wank. :eg:

Date: 2004-03-21 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnskippytoo.livejournal.com
I'm not even getting into the talk of not mentioning 'Angel' because... nah.)

If you're talking about not making a big deal out of 'Angel' in the ad, that wasn't just ST talking. Other people from other boards said the same thing. And it's not because anyone hates Ats or the character of Angel. That's not it at all. We love Ats and Angel (hell he's one half of C/A so we must love the big lug a little), at least before it was masticated and spit out all new and shiny and there are plenty who still do love Ats even at ST. The point was not to over emphasize Ats and make it an ad *about Angel* because this ad wanted to thank him for everything he's done, not just for his Ats/BtVS role. And to thank him for being who he is and not just for playing Angel. We also wanted him to know we, his fans, haven't pigeon-holed him as Angel forever and we will watch whatever he does with fresh eyes. There was no attempt to belittle Ats or Angel in our intentions.

If you were talking about something else, then never mind. :D

Date: 2004-03-21 11:50 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com
Whether someone else likes the character of Angel or not really doesn't matter to me. I would have a problem if this role / AtS was being ignored simply out of a resentment of Joss Whedon.

And what I don't quite get, what exactly do we want to thank him for if not his portrayal of the character? Hell, this is pretty much what he's done so far. Done well, and it's nothing that needs to be glossed over.

Nothing personal, but I can't say how tired I am of this whole argument. I'll go back to avoiding the board; this is really a waste of time.

Date: 2004-03-21 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
I think that Angel isn't being emphasised because people want to take a more holistic view, and thank DB for everything he's done to this point. Obviously Angel is the most noteable, but popular consensus (from many sources) is that we just say "thanks, Dave, you rock" and leave it at that. I don't care if Angel is mentioned or not, as long as DB sees the ad and gets the sentiment behind it.

Anyway, like I said to start with, I don't want any arguing the point - conflict upsets me - so lets just all agree that not everyone's opinions on the matter are the same, and either contribute to, or abstain from the ad fund, and respect each other's right to whatever course of action they decide to take.

And don't panic. I'm not gonna make everyone hold hands and sing kum-bah-yah. Unless you want to, of course... ;o)

Date: 2004-03-21 12:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com
You're so right. Rule number one: never ever get involved in kerfuffles. It's completely pointless. I actually forgot rule number one. Gah.

Come to think of it, I don't believe anyone's ever been caused to change their opinion in a kerfuffle. Or is there an actual precedence?

And you don't want to hear me sing ;o).

Date: 2004-03-21 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
Come to think of it, I don't believe anyone's ever been caused to change their opinion in a kerfuffle.

So true. An exercise in futility, one might say :o)

And hey, if we all sing, it might be so truly horrendous, everyone would forget all about the fighting, and run for the hills with their hands over their ears ;o)

Date: 2004-03-21 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnskippytoo.livejournal.com
Sorry, Claire. I wasn't trying to convince or argue. I was attempting to clarify a possible misconception. I guess I did a terrible job of it. I will say no more. Carry on with the singing. It sounds lovely, btw.

Date: 2004-03-21 05:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com
damnskippy, that's why I said nothing personal. Sorry, I should have cleared that up. It's just that all this has been going on all day, all over the place, hence my being fed up with this debate at this point. It had nothing to do with your post as such. You're entitled to your opinion and I see what you say. Which doesn't mean I agree, because I interpret certain posts and threads in a different way, having a different perspective, but I see the point.

Date: 2004-03-21 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littleheaven70.livejournal.com
Don't worry, no damage done. You were just airing your opinion, which is cool :o) The main thing is we can all behave like adults, respect each other's opinions, and remain friends.

We should run the world ;o)

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